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This is a place for all sorts of off-topic discussion.

You can post anon or un-anon, per your personal preference, as usual.

All I ask is that you stay civil and (hopefully) friendly.

If you also want to use this thread to try to find a beta for a fic, or ask a brit-pick-ish question, I think that would be an acceptable use. Have fun!

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I had this lengthy discussion with a friend about the whole brit-picking wank that's been going on here. She told me that brit-picking really shouldn't matter, and that non-British writers should write in the style of English they are comfortable with. An example she used was fic being written in foreign languages. There is no such thing as brit-picking when someone writes in Chinese, or Japanese, or German, so why does English have to be restricted?

Thing is, I don't really agree with her. I've seen British/Australian/non-American writers try their best to write with Americanisms when they're in an American fandom, and I think it's only fair that we do the same when we're in a British fandom.

What do you think? Meme?

In dialogue, it matters. How the characters speak is part of the characterization. In prose, style of English doesn't matter unless it's first person perspective because then the whole story is basically dialogue.

It functions a little differently in a foreign language, but it isn't necessarily non-existent. Turns of phrase and word choice can mirror the speaker's original language rather than what would be most natural or common in the language in which the fic is written. For instance, in several Asian languages, speakers use relationship terms instead of names to refer to people. A native English speaker would not call an old woman she didn't know "grandmother", but a Chinese-speaking character would. (I can't remember now if it's "aunt" or "grandmother" that's used, but I think it's "grandmother" for women and "uncle" for men.)

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We all win at Jeopardy tonight!

(Anonymous)
Mmmmm. Tonight's Final Jeopardy question.
Category: Fictional characters.
Question: The first words he ever spoke to his assistant were “How are You?… You have been in Afghanistan, I perceive”

Well bbs? What's the answer? <3

Re: We all win at Jeopardy tonight!

(Anonymous)
Aquaman! Do I win a million dollars? :P

P.S. Did they all get it?

PICC line

(Anonymous)
Have any of you ever had a PICC line? I had mine removed months ago but still have some weird skin discoloration from where the bandages were.

The nurses would sometimes forget to cleanse the entire area the bandage covered (they would only clean directly at the PICC line's insertion site) or wouldn't put on the stuff they swab under the bandage to prevent skin from breaking down due the adhesive. I was frankly a little too drugged up to put two and two together haha. :\

My doctor doesn't seem concerned, but it's not on her body so I guess she wouldn't be as bothered by it as I am. :P

Any suggestions for dealing with skin discoloration?

Also for the people who've had PICC lines and don't anymore: didn't it feel great to get to shower without having to worry about getting your line damp?

RIP Edward Hardwicke

(Anonymous)
Edward Hardwicke played Dr. Watson on the Granada series from 1986 to 1994 (the post-Reichenbach Watson) and passed away today at the age of 79.

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'When I came out of the asylum, the person who collected me was Edward Hardwicke. He took me to an Italian restaurant. I had a pasta and a glass of red wine. He then drove me back to my home where we sat and had a cup of tea. It was Edward Hardwicke. He is one of the loveliest people, and I suppose he is the best friend that any man has ever had...in life. Which is after all how Doyle describes Watson.'
J Brett

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Sweet Disposition

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I give off a "good girl" vibe and, as such, most people first getting to know me will think I'm very religious and\or would make a good wife for their son.

Today, someone was telling me about her love for vampire no els (especially Anita Blake) and then stopped mid-sentence with an "Oh, Shit!" look in her eye. She then leaned over, touched my hand, and said, "Oh, but I'm not sure you would like them. (whispering) They're a little racy..."

If only you knew, dear co-worker. If only you knew....

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(Anonymous)
SA novels not noels

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I was just wondering, apart from having rather posh accents, going to Oxford and calling their mother 'Mummy', is there anything else that hints at Sherlock and Mycroft coming from an upperclass background.

Is their anything in canon that suggested this. From memory - Holmes said his family came from country squires, which doesn't sound to noble :)

I'm sorry if this sounds quite rude but could we please limit this to data rather than personal opinions. I know it is generally excepted that they're a rather posh pair with a privilidged background but I just want to know if there is anything really supporting that theory

wiki provides.

(Anonymous)
I have no opinions and am not British, but here's what wikipedia says about squires:

In English village life from the late 17th century through the early 20th century, there was often one principal family of gentry, owning much of the land and living in the largest house, maybe the manor house. The head of this family was often called "the squire."

Squires were gentlemen with a coat of arms and were often related to peers. Many could claim descent from knights and had been settled in their inherited estates for hundreds of years. The squire usually lived at the village manor house and owned an estate comprising the village, with the villagers being his tenants. If the squire "owned the living" (i.e. -- "was patron") of the parish church;and he often did—he would choose the rector, a role often filled by the middle son of the squire. Some squires also became the local rector themselves and were known as squarsons[citation needed];a portmanteau of the words squire and parson. The squire would also have performed a number of important local duties, in particular that of justice of the peace or Member of Parliament.



So, not necessarily noble, but a local hereditary land-owner and regional official-type, and a bit of a hold-over from feudal times. Definitely not a bumpkin, and possibly quite privileged though I guess individual families could fall on hard times.

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Britpicking

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From something on the rant post.

Would people in this fandom, not in the meme because Britpicking on the fly fic is daft, prefer not to get Britpicking comments, unless they have specifically asked for them?

It's just, it seems to me, that no matter how we phrase the comments they are almost always seen as condescending. As a Brit 99 times out of a 100 I just read the language used as extremely polite and deferential but it's clearly pushing buttons with non-Brits.

Are phrases like:

'I hope you don't mind but...' or
'BTW, I don't know if you know..' or
'If you wanted to make John's dialogue sound more English then...'

markers of rude behaviour to American/Australian/German etc. fans. Is the way we express ourselves a problem when it comes to international communication?

Personally I'd prefer polite formal comments to 'you stupid fucker, don't you realise...' or 'No, that's wrong, x would never say that'. But I don't know whatg other people think.

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(Anonymous)
I prefer getting "Oh, btw, here's a minor britpick: ______", and I've had people comment on my fics with britpicky details before and I've never minded.

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How do you write?

(Anonymous)
How do you write? (Mainly referring to original fiction, but I'd love to hear about fanfiction techniques too.)

I feel like I'm doing it wrong. Everyone I've talked to plans to the very minute details. They write down an outline, character descriptions (usually this is for original fiction though) and other such ideas about the world, etc.

Personally, I wing it. I'll be 10,000 words in and suddenly decide a character is a vegetarian and go back and fix it. Then I decide a character has blue eyes and go back and fix it. Or maybe that the city is now the capital and everyone clicks their fingers to say hello. I make shit up as I go along. I usually have a good idea about the beginning and maybe the middle, but rarely ever do I know the ending.

Luckily, it usually all works out well once I'm done. It reads fine, people enjoy it, but seem surprised when I tell them that I don't plan squat. Intricate planning always sucks the fun and surprise out of it, personally, so I don't tend to do it. My style is like word vomit. I have an idea (that fits) and I'll try smush it in. In later edits I could very well as easily decide to cut it out.

This mish-mash style isn't exactly the best, I know. It takes a lot of revisions sometimes to make it work. But that's the way I've always done it and I feel uncomfortable hearing that I should change it.

So, anyway, back to the original point: what's the method you find best to write?

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Copious amounts of alcohol.

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Taking volunteers for the Delicious Index

I finally have a solid system for this thing worked out, and have enough of it laid down that it's to the point where help would be appreciated.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, this is the Prompt Index. While it's primarily geared at making the prompts easier to find, it can (in theory) also be used to find fills for specific subjects. But since it doesn't actually care for fills, using it to find them will require a bit of effort on your part.

If you want to help, send me a note, or email me at notusingtheZword@gmail.com

You MUST be familiar with Delicious already.

I also need people who can follow instructions to the letter. I'm still really nervous about taking volunteers because the system does rely on, well, OCD behaviour. I know it seems really picky on my part, but this can so easily turn into a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth.

I really don't want to wind up having to re-do another 100+ bookmarks that weren't done correctly the first time.


If you think you're up for the challenge, please let me know. This is slow-going with just me working at it. D:

Fic Search?

(Anonymous)
Um, hi! I'm not sure if this is allowed here, but I'll try it anyway; I figured it was better than posing on the meme...
I'm looking for an awesome 5+1 S/J kissing fic? 5 times they didn't and one time (at a crime scene I think) they did? I had it booked marked, but then it got deleted...
Thanks so much to whoever can help!



(And wth Mycroft, greek letters?!)

Maybe this one? http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.com/4076.html?thread=10983404#t10983404

If it's not this one, it's still totally worth reading. :)

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Mycroft's on vacation

I haven't had to fill out captchas for the past few days. Is he just ignoring me? Not that I really mind, though the site is still loads painfully slow.

random britpick question

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What is standard prison uniform? Do you have those orange jumpsuits (do you even call them jumpsuits?) I am getting this from Misfits but I don't know because that's community service.

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I believe it depends on the category of prison, your age and what you have been convicted for.

Civil Prisoners (those convicted for the non-payment of fines etc) and those who have not yet being convicted are able to wear their own clothes.

In ordinary prisons they wear grey boiler suits unless they are thought to be an escape risk, then they wear orange boiler suits. There are also specific work clothes for the different prison work - e.g. cook's whites

In open prisons where prisoners may have day jobs in the community so wear their own clothes.

Juveniles in detention units can, I believe, wear their own clothes but I can't find the right section on HM Prison Services website to check that.

A question re British Placeholder Names

So in the States, Jane or John Doe are used quite often as placeholders for legal issues. I was trying to find the names used in the UK and came across a variety of names used in the US legal system as placeholders (for unidentified persons or in legal cases where the real names cannot or will not be revealed) and found some things that said "Joe Boggs" was used in the UK legal system in a similar fashion. Would the female equivalent then be "Jane Boggs" or something else, like Mary or just kept as Joe Boggs?

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Bloggs, not Boggs :) You could also have Jane Smith, but that's not as likely.

(Mycroft says it's risplin, but I wouldn't listen to that)

This may be a very stupid question.

But having read a prompt I'm left wondering...

What is it that the British call pie? The only pies I know of are sweet or fruity things. And unpleasant things that cows leave in fields, but that wouldn't fit at all.

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(Anonymous)
What sort of pie?

A pic might help


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Unofficial Sherlock Merchandise?

Do you think there would be much interest in an online shop for Sherlock T-shirts? Furthermore, what's the deal with copyright for something like that? I know Sherlock Holmes is public domain, but if I start making references to the BBC adaptation, am I crossing some sort of line?

I became interested in this sort of thing when I stumbled upon Qwertee and noticed the lack of Sherlock shirts (though there's an abundance of Doctor Who shirts). I made two designs (here and here), but the thing is, T-shirts on Qwertee have to have so many votes before they're printed, and then it's only for a couple of days. And I'd rather like to do more shirts that reference secondary characters as well (I know a lot of people have favorite characters that aren't necessarily Sherlock or John) and I thought it would be better to just have a normal shop where someone can get a shirt without having to vote and hope that other people vote for it as well. And there's also none of the pressure to buy straight away if it's something you'd like to get later. There would also be the option of mugs or buttons or whatever, which is a plus.

I dunno, maybe I'm just putting too much thought into this. But I'm a big fan of T-shirts, especially fandom T-shirts, and I'm having fun with Adobe Illustrator and just thought it might be cool if people were interested. But, again, worried about that copyright issue. I suppose it must not be a huge deal since there are so many people making unofficial fandom merchandise, but I don't want to step on any toes.

What do you guys think?

Re: Unofficial Sherlock Merchandise?

(Anonymous)
Anything that refers to BBC!Sherlock is protected under copywrite and you could be sued. Swiftly.

However, if you used quotes from the books, you would have no issues. Generic images such as a magnifying glass, pipe or gladstone bag could be 'modernized' if you wanted to.

The 'study in pink' shirt crosses the copywrite line. And the BC profile most likely does too since it is a character reference.