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This is a place for all sorts of off-topic discussion.

You can post anon or un-anon, per your personal preference, as usual.

All I ask is that you stay civil and (hopefully) friendly.

If you also want to use this thread to try to find a beta for a fic, or ask a brit-pick-ish question, I think that would be an acceptable use. Have fun!


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I really want to smoosh two different, seemingly unrelated prompts together to create one, big super prompt and write that fic. What on earth should I do with it when I'm ready to post it, though? Basically, one prompt is the beginning of the fic and the other is the end. Torn!Anon is torn.

Put the first part as a reply to the relevant prompt. Include a link afterwards to the second prompt. Put the second part as a reply to that prompt. Include a link at the start to the first half.

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This is an odd Q, but for the life of me I cannot determine how Sherlock wraps his scarf. I assumed it was as if he folded it in half and drew the loose ends through the loop, but he does it as he wraps it and I can't determine the sequence. Anyone able to tell what he does?

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It's that sequence - fold in half, place around neck, loose ends through loop -but he does it quickly, putting the loose ends through the loop as soon as or even before the folded scarf is round his neck.

Mycroft just told me Ur hot.

Then I told Mycroft Ur hot.

Does that count as a flirt?

Mycroft would never spell that poorly! Call Chris Hansen! D:>>>

Hey, I'd love to help you brainstorm. Well, if you want. ^^

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Ok, I'll be the selfish anon who admits to wanting to see the baby carrot. I will not be able to do this on London nor any of the NT Live events. Anyone out there who could help me out?

What, you want illicit video of the play so you can oggle his cock?

Creepy as fuck.

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Just a question for you British folks.
What's the go with your use of metric vs. imperial? Because it seems like in most of the British shows I watch, people use imperial more, but switch between the two quite often.

We've been taught meteric at school since the 1970's but use imperial measurements for a few things (though these are geting fewer each year).

Things I would expect to be mentioned in imperial:

Distance - miles
Weight of people - stones and pounds (but not pounds alone the way the Americans do it) except in a medical situation where kilos are used
Liquids - pints of beer, pint of milk only. Fruit juice comes in litre cartons
Shoe sizes - though we are moving to European standards

Oh and older cookbooks will have imperial or both types of measurements.

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Otters everywhere

Why is page 35 of the current part (XI) swarming with otters? Are all the prompts from one otter-loving anon, or have I missed some pop culture thing from Glee or something?

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My guess is it's someone trying to troll the meme, not realizing that otters are as legit a kink as anything else as far as we are concerned.

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I've mostly finished fill for this prompt and could use a Britpicker. I have a beta but would not be opposed to a second one.

As this was a difficult, personal piece for me I ask for somebody with experience/familiarity with genderqueerism/trans.

If you're willing to help please comment/PM me.

I'm Irish, not British, but they're right next door to me and I identify as genderqueer/genderfluid, so I might be able to help?

Sherlock isn't eating for days and days, and John's berating him for that. But if we're honest, we all tried once how long we can go without any food, just to see how long we could take some serious proper hunger.


I haven't done it just for curiosity's sake, but there was a point where I barricaded in my room for 6 days before crawling out with my tail between my legs to beg for some dinner.

I have gone without drinking, sleeping, showering, getting out of bed, speaking, and washing my socks, at various points in my life, just to see how long I could.

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Brothers, Family

Nothing in life is a black and white answer.

That said, do you think Mycroft really loves his brother, has his best interests at heart?

Also, do you think it really was a childish feud and Sherlock is being petty? Or is it discord based on a major, emotional upheaval in the Holmes brothers lives and Mycroft is at the 'bygones be bygones' downplaying a bitter dispute?

Mummy-nurturing, spoiling, vaguely there or pitting the children against each other?

Father- loving, absent, tyrannical or vaguely there?

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do you think Mycroft really loves his brother, has his best interests at heart?

Yes, definitely. He 'vets' John and tries to give Sherlock problems to solve to keep him occupied. He's also there after John shoots the cabbie and I'm sure that's to intervene if things go pear shaped.

was a childish feud and Sherlock is being petty

Again yes. Not necessarily a feud in childhood as I've seen some fic writers propose but, something Sherlock, as a younger brother would see as interfering and Mycroft would see as looking out for his brother.

Mummy and Daddy - intelligent, well educated, wanted the best for their children, hence boarding school at a very good school from an early age, high expectations of their children. Mycroft being older had to live up to them, Sherlock could rebel without them being as disappointed (and can't you tell I'm the oldest child :-) ).

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Was this fill ever finished?

I know there's a page-a-mod post here, too, but I figured this one's viewed more frequently (and where are we meant to post questions like these, anyway, kinda new here, hi and sorry!).

There was this gorgeous A Study in Emerald crossover fic started in part 5 ('No Sharp Distinction' - http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.com/4076.html?thread=13270764#t13270764) but it stopped rather abruptly. The part is maxed out, so I wondered (hoped) it was because of that, and if it has been continued somewhere else?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

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It hasn't been continued anywhere, but if it ever is, it'll probably be on the overflow post. Or so I hope.

Questions And Things That Bother Me Regarding 'BBC Sherlock'

-I know that "The name's Sherlock Holmes and the address is 221B Baker Street" is meant to deliver the iconology but the *wink* is just too creepy. Can't picture Sherlock winking. I have an issue with winking, obviously.

-Does Sherlock look embarrassed, quizzical or just oblivious when Mrs. Hudson asks if they will be needing another bedroom? He's very herky-jerky, marionette looking at that moment.

-"Friend of mine, Well, I say friend." of the skull. The added, implied shrug "Well, I say friend" is what l don't understand. I'm sure it's absurdly simple and I'm going to feel like an idiot when someone explains it to me.

-I know he puts on a suit at the ASIP crime scene in the pilot. Why does he just give John a look as an answer to whether he needs to put one on and how does he get away with not putting one on AT A CRIME SCENE?!

-In TBB, why would Sherlock want to hide the fact that he had a sword/fist fight while John was trying to get groceries? He's a braggart about everything else.

-Why doesn't Sherlock introduce John as, "My friend, DR. John Watson" to his uni acquaintance? I gathered he was trying to show John off, for whatever reason. Wouldn't the guy knowing John is a doctor be more impressive? And isn't Sherlock's expression weirdly robotic during the introduction?

-TGG. After Jim drops the dish, slips the phone number note under, does anyone else notice Sherlock immediately shake his head, go kind of open mouth in surprise and disgust, that's why he doesn't say goodbye? Or am I just seeing what I want to see?

-If Sherlock really thinks he's saving Molly time and heartache by informing her Jim is gay, it bugs me that his tone to her is so harsh and mean.

- After the 'Gay' fiasco with Jim and Molly, is Sherlock asking John to inspect/deduce the shoes a way to hump John back into the beta role after he made shame-shame at Sherlock's brutal tactlessness or does he really need an extra opinion, extra set of eyes? He seems awfully snotty and superior afterward, telling John he missed practically everything.

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#3--The "Well, I say X" means that X isn't really the right term, but maybe there's not an exact word for it. Meaning whoever was using the skull originally wasn't really a friend of his. Note later on, how surprised Sherlock looks when John says he met a friend of his, and how accepting he is when John corrects it to "enemy".

#6--Sebastian is such a git that if Sherlock introduced him as a doctor, he'd likely ask what mental disorders John was investigating about Sherlock, and then laugh like it was a huge joke. Or else he'd wonder why Sherlock is hauling a doctor around to a crime scene that as yet involves no dead bodies or anyone hurt.

Today in my counterpoint class, the professor was showing us how to compose a round. The whole thing was pretty much going over my head, so I wasn't paying very close attention and a good portion of my brain was thinking about Sherlock and how to word a prompt I want to put up when the freeze is over. Then the professor turns around and says (he didn't look directly at me, thank God, because that would have been creepy) "You know my methods, Watson. Apply them." I was all O.O HE'S A MIND READER.

Stupid question

But, what's a lilo?

I've seen it in many fics, usually where it mentions John staying at Sarah's but on her lilo, is it just a sofa or something else? Googlefu has failed me.

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Un/diagnosing Sherlock

Is Sherlock autistic?

Continuing from a discussion here (http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.com/5284.html?thread=29400996#t29400996); I decided it should be moved because it wasn't really relevant to the topic at hand. I was the anon backing the autistic diagnosis. Otheranon did not say whether ze agreed or disagreed, merely that ze felt putting labels on character behaviour was restricting.

Two of my favourite fics about the subject have different conclusions. High Functioning (http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.com/575.html?thread=19775#t19775) is unusual in that it doesn't take it as given that Sherlock isn't a sociopath. The Macdonald Triad (http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.com/6375.html?thread=27664103#t27664103) also leaves Sherlock undiagnosed but John does learn even Sherlock knows he's not a sociopath. Later on in that thread, the author discusses other potential diagnoses for Sherlock, and I'd say her comments are well worth a read.

So what do you think? Is Sherlock a sociopath? Is he autistic? Does it matter? Would word of God change your characterisation of him? Do you have a favoured diagnosis? Do you think that fanon has limited his character in its diagnosis of him?

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I grew up with an autistic brother and I used to do in-home care for developmentally disabled adults, so, here's what I think.

First, I'll add my two cents on the sociopath aspect of this question.

Sherlock is not the sociopath he claims to be nor is he the psychopath others seem to think he is. He mainly said the sociopath comment to correct Anderson who used psychopath to imply that Sherlock derives some form of sadistic pleasure out of crime and could just as easily turn to serial murders himself. Sherlock is actually a lot like most cops in that he wants to solve crimes. Essentially, I think it's his way of making the world better.

Although, I do think he exhibits certain aspects of antisocial personality disorder (which is commonly what people would refer to as sociopathy) specifically persistent lying and/or stealing (although, I think he only steals Lestrade's ID to tweak with him; and the lying he does a lot in the same way cops do, so technically it's part of his job, so that doesn't really count), lack of empathy (with that though, I think he actually empathizes far more than he lets on), inability to tolerate boredom (but really, who can tolerate prolonged boredom, right?), disregard for personal safety (but honestly, the same could be said of any solider, cop or firefighter). Anyway, the antisocial traits he exhibits aren't enough to classify him as suffering from antisocial personality disorder, especially considering there's no possible way he could have been diagnosed as having conduct disorder (which is a requirement for an antisocial personality diagnosis), so he's not technically a sociopath.

Now, onto the autism theory. It's difficult to diagnose him as autistic since we don't have any data from his childhood, which is what we would need to do so. However, from what we know about Sherlock now, we can probably extrapolate at little. The DSM lists 12 criteria for autistic disorder, and to be diagnosed, someone must exhibit at least six of those criteria. From how he interacts with people (and how others interact with him, especially Sebastian, who did know Sherlock when he was younger) we can extrapolate that he most likely had trouble developing relationships appropriate to developmental level (that could, however, have more to do with the fact that he's so much more intelligent than everyone that no one could relate to him and he had trouble relating to them) he also seems to lack the desire to seek to share enjoyment, interests or achievements (less so with achievements, obviously, the man loves to brag) with others, with the exception of John and, to a lesser extent, Lestrade and Mrs. Hudson. Sherlock only falls into two criteria for autism (as far as I've been able to tell) and therefore can't be diagnosed as being autistic.

Now, I'll counter Asperger's, because it's a less severe form of autism. The two criteria I outlined above are also criteria that can be used for diagnosing Asperger's. However, with Asperger's one must also have some form of restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, which would include such things as repetitive motions, ritualized behavior (like counting or other OCD-esque behaviors), and as far as I can tell, we've seen nothing of the sort from Sherlock. Which, therefore, means he can't be diagnosed with Asperger's either.

Now, both of those rest on assumptions of how Sherlock developed and interacted as a child (which, incidentally, is also the problem with diagnosing him as autistic) The thing is, we don't know. And since we don't know, we can't accurately diagnose him.

All in all, I think it just comes down the fact that Sherlock has some trouble with social interactions that probably stem from the fact that he's intellectually in another galaxy from everyone. Being that intelligent is very isolating. And Sherlock is coping with it as best he can, mainly by avoiding as much social interaction as he can and by being a complete ass to basically everyone as a way to protect himself when most people don't like him.

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